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Originally posted by Auminer
Originally posted by DroDollar what sucks is when ppl you love start dying from the shit, my moms killin herself smokin and I tried but cant do anything about it, docs told her to stop and she dont listen. she gotta want to stop

I hear ya there Dro. My Uncle was at about an ounce ever 2 days just by himself the last time I talked to him (about 8 years ago). Has ruined his life, caused 2 divorces and he cannot work. When he goes without for more than a few hours violence ensues. One can argue that it is a psychological thing and I would agree, but none the less he is addicted to weed and furthermore has negative even violent effects while not on it and cannot work because of it.

Also had a roommate like this one time. Dude would wake up at 5am religiously and if he couldn't wake and bake shit got violent. Like, holes being punched in walls violent coupled with screaming. Issues outside of Weed? Most defiantly, though weed is a factor in the issue seeing as it was their choice of drug.

Just some examples and everyone can go rounds and rounds all day long with facts on both sides to back up their thoughts. Bottom line is though, to think that weed is this miracle drug with no ill effects and is nothing but a 100% positive drug is, and I am sorry to say but, fool hearted and naive. It doesn't matter how you compare it, like to cigs or drinking or meth, what matters is it's impact by itself. Will people die from it? Yes, people die from it now, why wouldn't they when it becomes legal. Will people be addicted to it? Yes, they are now, why not when it's legal. Will it ruin lives? Yes, it does now why not when it's legal.

Just some food for thought guys. Gotta remember, just because you jumped off the bridge and didn't get hurt doesn't mean that the next guy won't break his neck.

wait i was talkin about cigs

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Originally posted by BubbaKush weed kills people

http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/news/20051201/marijuana-raises-risk-of-fatal-car-crash

http://www.whec.com/news/stories/S2084299.shtml?cat=566

That's just a couple from a quick search and that's not even going into the mix of alcohol and weed crashes. Look, I am not arguing about not legalizing it. Again, my point being that people think "oh it's completely harmless" or sorry Bubba, but like you "Weed kills people,". Yes, yes it does, just like everything else. It impairs your judgments, reaction times etc etc etc. Why would people think that it's completely harmless if it in fact does that? It's seriously beyond me.

I have seen it first hand a few times in my life. It is exactly like a drunk driving accident.

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Originally posted by DroDollar
Originally posted by Auminer
Originally posted by DroDollar what sucks is when ppl you love start dying from the shit, my moms killin herself smokin and I tried but cant do anything about it, docs told her to stop and she dont listen. she gotta want to stop

I hear ya there Dro. My Uncle was at about an ounce ever 2 days just by himself the last time I talked to him (about 8 years ago). Has ruined his life, caused 2 divorces and he cannot work. When he goes without for more than a few hours violence ensues. One can argue that it is a psychological thing and I would agree, but none the less he is addicted to weed and furthermore has negative even violent effects while not on it and cannot work because of it.

Also had a roommate like this one time. Dude would wake up at 5am religiously and if he couldn't wake and bake shit got violent. Like, holes being punched in walls violent coupled with screaming. Issues outside of Weed? Most defiantly, though weed is a factor in the issue seeing as it was their choice of drug.

Just some examples and everyone can go rounds and rounds all day long with facts on both sides to back up their thoughts. Bottom line is though, to think that weed is this miracle drug with no ill effects and is nothing but a 100% positive drug is, and I am sorry to say but, fool hearted and naive. It doesn't matter how you compare it, like to cigs or drinking or meth, what matters is it's impact by itself. Will people die from it? Yes, people die from it now, why wouldn't they when it becomes legal. Will people be addicted to it? Yes, they are now, why not when it's legal. Will it ruin lives? Yes, it does now why not when it's legal.

Just some food for thought guys. Gotta remember, just because you jumped off the bridge and didn't get hurt doesn't mean that the next guy won't break his neck.

wait i was talkin about cigs

lol oops. Well, theres a short story then for ya. lol

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Originally posted by jasonkil
Originally posted by Auminer
Originally posted by jasonkil how many people here are saying to legalize weed etc? fuck sake, do you not know how much the price of that will go up? in ireland, the price of a pack of cigs is 80% to the government, 10% to the company, 10% to those selling

Ah, here in Oregon we have medicinal MJ. Though there are so many holes in the law it's pathetic. First off there is a limit in how many suppliers you can have (ok I understand that)-though you can have 4 (lol OK why would someone need 4 suppliers?). You can grow your own on top of that. You can have so many plants ( I believe like 8-10 ). However, if you are a supplier you can have an unlimited amount of people you supply. I read up on one guy in Portland that was supplying like 48 people. Now he can have so many plants per person that he supplies. I think he was able to hold upwards for 300lbs+ of cultivated weed and upwards of around 500+ plants all together.

That just seems a bit overboard and that's just one of the glaring problems in the law.

and outside the medical, its all illegal. how the fuck is that right?

Same thing with Oxycontin? It's a painkiller that supposed to be prescribed and outside of the user, any use/possession is illegal? Though here in Oregon you can have up to 1 ounce in one bag and it's a traffic ticket. You can be under the influence and it's a ticket (though not while driving). Multiple bags even if it's under an ounce is something like "intent to sell" which is time served.

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weed didnt kill them

they killed them

edit-stupidity killed them

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Originally posted by Auminer
Originally posted by DrKUSH474
Originally posted by DrKUSH474
Originally posted by BubbaKush weed legal +1

cigs illegal + 1 million

Originally posted by JimmyTheButcher i dont have the patience to read thru this entire thread... i know my dad died from lung cancer 2 yrs ago - and he was healthy as can be beforehand (went to the gym, took all kinds of vitamins,ju-jitsu, u name it) 52 yrs old - dead. so i dont smoke... weed is about the extent of my smoking - and i never heard a case of weed killing anyone. legalize it - tax it - the united states could dig themselves out of debt with legalizing weed lol

i got people in my family die from lung cancer from smoking cigs. i cant smoke a cig they make me sick but i smoke bud all day long theres not a case of someone getting lung cancer from smoking weed. the US should legalize it though they could stop wasting money on enforcing the marijuana laws and spend time busting heroin and meth dealers instead of bud dealers. the marijuana laws have to be decrimalized at the most. now adays getting caught with possession can fuck up someones job and stop them from being able to get a job

Sorry but the "weed has never caused cancer" is utter horseshit. Bottom line, we are not meant to inhale any smoke, let alone prolonged exposure. Prolonged exposure to ANY smoke will have ill effects and give a probability of cancer. Remember, cancer is nothing more than altered/dis-formed cells that reproduce and spread (to boil it down).

While weed is not high on the cancer risk, I am utterly sick and tired of hearing that there are no ill effects caused from weed. That is utter horseshit and a pipe dream for a movement that is trying to get it legalized. I am all for legalizing it, but get some facts straight please.

http://lungcancer.about.com/od/causesoflungcance1/f/marijuana.htm

P.S. in regards to the no use drug policy that are on most jobs. Just because something is legal does not mean that you could still use lets say the night before and then go to work. You ever hear of anyone getting fired for still being drunk from the night before and then showing up to work? I have. That type of rule is there for safety. Hell, can you imagine someone using heavy equipment or something else dangerous after a hard night of partying? That's why those rules are there and would still be there after weed is legalized.

i agree that smoking anything is bad for your lungs all the tar go straight into your lungs. but i read your link and it sounded like the chance is so minute compared to smoking cigs. the radioactive chemicials they put on tobacco is the main reason people get lung cancer theres so many chemicals in cigs is crazy. marijuana is all natural. im not saying they should flat out legalize they have to regulate somehow. they need to be able to test how high someone is as far as driving purposes. especially new smokers do can get right stupid high compared to a regualr smokeer

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Originally posted by Auminer
Originally posted by jasonkil
Originally posted by Auminer
Originally posted by jasonkil how many people here are saying to legalize weed etc? fuck sake, do you not know how much the price of that will go up? in ireland, the price of a pack of cigs is 80% to the government, 10% to the company, 10% to those selling

Ah, here in Oregon we have medicinal MJ. Though there are so many holes in the law it's pathetic. First off there is a limit in how many suppliers you can have (ok I understand that)-though you can have 4 (lol OK why would someone need 4 suppliers?). You can grow your own on top of that. You can have so many plants ( I believe like 8-10 ). However, if you are a supplier you can have an unlimited amount of people you supply. I read up on one guy in Portland that was supplying like 48 people. Now he can have so many plants per person that he supplies. I think he was able to hold upwards for 300lbs+ of cultivated weed and upwards of around 500+ plants all together.

That just seems a bit overboard and that's just one of the glaring problems in the law.

and outside the medical, its all illegal. how the fuck is that right?

Same thing with Oxycontin? It's a painkiller that supposed to be prescribed and outside of the user, any use/possession is illegal? Though here in Oregon you can have up to 1 ounce in one bag and it's a traffic ticket. You can be under the influence and it's a ticket (though not while driving). Multiple bags even if it's under an ounce is something like "intent to sell" which is time served.

i wish my state was like that any amount here will get you arrested for possession. my brother got his possession charge droped since it was a first offense and only .5 grams on him. but my other bro got arrested for possesion of a blunt roach and hes goin to court this week

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Originally posted by DrKUSH474
Originally posted by Auminer
Originally posted by DrKUSH474
Originally posted by DrKUSH474
Originally posted by BubbaKush weed legal +1

cigs illegal + 1 million

Originally posted by JimmyTheButcher i dont have the patience to read thru this entire thread... i know my dad died from lung cancer 2 yrs ago - and he was healthy as can be beforehand (went to the gym, took all kinds of vitamins,ju-jitsu, u name it) 52 yrs old - dead. so i dont smoke... weed is about the extent of my smoking - and i never heard a case of weed killing anyone. legalize it - tax it - the united states could dig themselves out of debt with legalizing weed lol

i got people in my family die from lung cancer from smoking cigs. i cant smoke a cig they make me sick but i smoke bud all day long theres not a case of someone getting lung cancer from smoking weed. the US should legalize it though they could stop wasting money on enforcing the marijuana laws and spend time busting heroin and meth dealers instead of bud dealers. the marijuana laws have to be decrimalized at the most. now adays getting caught with possession can fuck up someones job and stop them from being able to get a job

Sorry but the "weed has never caused cancer" is utter horseshit. Bottom line, we are not meant to inhale any smoke, let alone prolonged exposure. Prolonged exposure to ANY smoke will have ill effects and give a probability of cancer. Remember, cancer is nothing more than altered/dis-formed cells that reproduce and spread (to boil it down).

While weed is not high on the cancer risk, I am utterly sick and tired of hearing that there are no ill effects caused from weed. That is utter horseshit and a pipe dream for a movement that is trying to get it legalized. I am all for legalizing it, but get some facts straight please.

http://lungcancer.about.com/od/causesoflungcance1/f/marijuana.htm

P.S. in regards to the no use drug policy that are on most jobs. Just because something is legal does not mean that you could still use lets say the night before and then go to work. You ever hear of anyone getting fired for still being drunk from the night before and then showing up to work? I have. That type of rule is there for safety. Hell, can you imagine someone using heavy equipment or something else dangerous after a hard night of partying? That's why those rules are there and would still be there after weed is legalized.

i agree that smoking anything is bad for your lungs all the tar go straight into your lungs. but i read your link and it sounded like the chance is so minute compared to smoking cigs. the radioactive chemicials they put on tobacco is the main reason people get lung cancer theres so many chemicals in cigs is crazy. marijuana is all natural. im not saying they should flat out legalize they have to regulate somehow. they need to be able to test how high someone is as far as driving purposes. especially new smokers do can get right stupid high compared to a regualr smokeer

Exactly. And the whole "all natural thing" is in my "humble" opinion a stretch. I fought wildfires for 7 years and inhaled a shitton of "natural" smoke from trees/bushes etc and even though that was 8-9 years ago that I last fought a fire, my shit is still screwed. Last time I had a lung capacity test they aged my lungs that of a 50+ year old. Yes my smoking has something to do with it, but they attributed a lot of it from prolonged exposure to fire smoke.

Which is my only real point. It does cause harm in a variety of ways. Again, not saying don't legalize it. Just don't understand how people can think it's 100% care free and good.

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Originally posted by DrKUSH474
Originally posted by Auminer
Originally posted by jasonkil
Originally posted by Auminer
Originally posted by jasonkil how many people here are saying to legalize weed etc? fuck sake, do you not know how much the price of that will go up? in ireland, the price of a pack of cigs is 80% to the government, 10% to the company, 10% to those selling

Ah, here in Oregon we have medicinal MJ. Though there are so many holes in the law it's pathetic. First off there is a limit in how many suppliers you can have (ok I understand that)-though you can have 4 (lol OK why would someone need 4 suppliers?). You can grow your own on top of that. You can have so many plants ( I believe like 8-10 ). However, if you are a supplier you can have an unlimited amount of people you supply. I read up on one guy in Portland that was supplying like 48 people. Now he can have so many plants per person that he supplies. I think he was able to hold upwards for 300lbs+ of cultivated weed and upwards of around 500+ plants all together.

That just seems a bit overboard and that's just one of the glaring problems in the law.

and outside the medical, its all illegal. how the fuck is that right?

Same thing with Oxycontin? It's a painkiller that supposed to be prescribed and outside of the user, any use/possession is illegal? Though here in Oregon you can have up to 1 ounce in one bag and it's a traffic ticket. You can be under the influence and it's a ticket (though not while driving). Multiple bags even if it's under an ounce is something like "intent to sell" which is time served.

i wish my state was like that any amount here will get you arrested for possession. my brother got his possession charge droped since it was a first offense and only .5 grams on him. but my other bro got arrested for possesion of a blunt roach and hes goin to court this week

Oh bro, you should try Nevada. My old lady was "high" and got locked up for 2 years for internal possession. Yup, was pretty fucked up considering when she was doin time, they came out with drug court in which you get a "get out of jail for free" if you are high, have possession, get caught buying or selling etc etc. Ya, we were pissed.

 

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