use real sources, and not charts adjusted for inflation

http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/GFDEBTN

i didnt feel like breaking down the data but u can clearly see from when he took office in 93 and left in 2000, with a few months of the bush's in there

1993-01-01 4230580

1993-04-01 4351950

1993-07-01 4411489

1993-10-01 4535687

1994-01-01 4575869

1994-04-01 4645802

1994-07-01 4692750

1994-10-01 4800150

1995-01-01 4864116

1995-04-01 4951372

1995-07-01 4973983

1995-10-01 4988665

1996-01-01 5117786

1996-04-01 5161076

1996-07-01 5224811

1996-10-01 5323172

1997-01-01 5380890

1997-04-01 5376151

1997-07-01 5413146

1997-10-01 5502388

1998-01-01 5542426

1998-04-01 5547935

1998-07-01 5526193

1998-10-01 5614217

1999-01-01 5651615

1999-04-01 5638780

1999-07-01 5656271

1999-10-01 5776091

2000-01-01 5773392

2000-04-01 5685938

2000-07-01 5674179

2000-10-01 5662216

2001-01-01 5773740

2001-04-01 5726815

Last edited by Sun_Tzu 13 years ago

Ya know this includes Population growth too right?

does this same middle class have to fork out for auto ins.to get to work and pay outrageous health premiums to take their families to a doctor !fucks the difference ? the right dont want it because it would put a damper on their insurance and pharmaceutical buddies that support them!

government does not create jobs, it can only create an environment for business to strive and create jobs for the economy to flourish

yes they pay auto insurance to get to work, so you want to make someone spend a few more thousand on health insurance when they are barely getting by, make them make a decision not to pay their auto insurance, make them decide to risk driving uninsured and getting arrested or quit their job cause they cant drive, and just say fuck it might as well not work and get insurance for free along with food, cell phone and other benefits

i read most of the stuff posted here, but cant be bothered to keep reading. Its sad how I live in a country that cares and worries more about your election than its own. i personally think regardless of who wins its going to be the same shit, only difference is slightly different views on the matter. bulk of the world is in recession, and this isnt something a single presidential term can fix anyways.

so since i am not from the USA, let me just inquire on a few questions,

what would be so bad about using tax money on supplying the population with a stable and secure form of health care?

what is the corporate tax in the US? and how is it that some brands and corporate giants can avoid paying billions in taxes?

why are individuals allowed to place money in offshore banks and accounts and not be taxed on any of it?

Not even from here, and he see's our problems, sad.

Now switch that chart to show YTD decreases. Note this is from the source you provided!

http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/?s[1][id]=GFDEBTN

The link wont show but copy & paste

Last edited by wormdogg10 13 years ago

i think canada has the best way to pay for its health care system, all citizens are covered, you may have to wait longer for appointments etc and im sure they have other complaints and id like to hear their thoughts on it

a sales tax that pays for the entries countries health care, not give some people it for free and force others to pay out of pocket or pay a tax, but the health care system in the US is so screwed up with policies, regulations, crony capitalism that there isnt anything you can really do all in one shot

the tax code for companies is filled with loop holes, tax breaks, credits, referrals, plnety of CEOs, board members in a revolving door with service in government jobs, so just more crony capitalism the corporate tax is 15-35% maybe up to 38 but i dont feel like checking

and im not familiar with off shore accounts, the world is a big place and i dont think there is much they can do to prevent people from putting their cash in offshore accounts, its offshore somewhere else not on property of the US government that would be my guess on why its not taxed currently

all im saying is we need healthcare here like they have in england and canada !! doctors dont need 3 fuckin houses and several collectors automobiles !! while americans who cant afford to go in debt the rest of their lives because of greedy doctors and pay 20,000 dollar life flight ride die because they cant get early detection of cancers and such ! ... government can run it fine they do the postal service and my mail gets here every fuckin day rain ,snow or shine