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[quote=MeganFox][quote=notvalid]i read most of the stuff posted here, but cant be bothered to keep reading. Its sad how I live in a country that cares and worries more about your election than its own. i personally think regardless of who wins its going to be the same shit, only difference is slightly different views on the matter. bulk of the world is in recession, and this isnt something a single presidential term can fix anyways.

so since i am not from the USA, let me just inquire on a few questions,
what would be so bad about using tax money on supplying the population with a stable and secure form of health care?
what is the corporate tax in the US? and how is it that some brands and corporate giants can avoid paying billions in taxes?
why are individuals allowed to place money in offshore banks and accounts and not be taxed on any of it?[/quote]

i think canada has the best way to pay for its health care system, all citizens are covered, you may have to wait longer for appointments etc and im sure they have other complaints and id like to hear their thoughts on it

a sales tax that pays for the entries countries health care, not give some people it for free and force others to pay out of pocket or pay a tax, but the health care system in the US is so screwed up with policies, regulations, crony capitalism that there isnt anything you can really do all in one shot

the tax code for companies is filled with loop holes, tax breaks, credits, referrals, plnety of CEOs, board members in a revolving door with service in government jobs, so just more crony capitalism  the corporate tax is 15-35% maybe up to 38 but i dont feel like checking

and im not familiar with off shore accounts, the world is a big place and i dont think there is much they can do to prevent people from putting their cash in offshore accounts, its offshore somewhere else not on property of the US government that would be my guess on why its not taxed currently

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have u went to the e.r lately i waited 4 fuckin hours last time !

Originally posted by MeganFox

Originally posted by notvalid i read most of the stuff posted here, but cant be bothered to keep reading. Its sad how I live in a country that cares and worries more about your election than its own. i personally think regardless of who wins its going to be the same shit, only difference is slightly different views on the matter. bulk of the world is in recession, and this isnt something a single presidential term can fix anyways.

so since i am not from the USA, let me just inquire on a few questions,

what would be so bad about using tax money on supplying the population with a stable and secure form of health care?

what is the corporate tax in the US? and how is it that some brands and corporate giants can avoid paying billions in taxes?

why are individuals allowed to place money in offshore banks and accounts and not be taxed on any of it?

i think canada has the best way to pay for its health care system, all citizens are covered, you may have to wait longer for appointments etc and im sure they have other complaints and id like to hear their thoughts on it

a sales tax that pays for the entries countries health care, not give some people it for free and force others to pay out of pocket or pay a tax, but the health care system in the US is so screwed up with policies, regulations, crony capitalism that there isnt anything you can really do all in one shot

the tax code for companies is filled with loop holes, tax breaks, credits, referrals, plnety of CEOs, board members in a revolving door with service in government jobs, so just more crony capitalism the corporate tax is 15-35% maybe up to 38 but i dont feel like checking

and im not familiar with off shore accounts, the world is a big place and i dont think there is much they can do to prevent people from putting their cash in offshore accounts, its offshore somewhere else not on property of the US government that would be my guess on why its not taxed currently

have u went to the e.r lately i waited 4 fuckin hours last time !

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Originally posted by wormdogg10

Originally posted by MeganFox

Originally posted by dickstone looks to me like it went down in the 90's

use real sources, and not charts adjusted for inflation

http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/GFDEBTN

i didnt feel like breaking down the data but u can clearly see from when he took office in 93 and left in 2000, with a few months of the bush's in there

Now switch that chart to show YTD decreases. Note this is from the source you provided!

http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/?s[1][id]=GFDEBTN

The link wont show but copy & paste

^^this is from 90-2001 the US debt does not go down under clinton like he was trying to say before

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Originally posted by MeganFox

Originally posted by wormdogg10

Originally posted by MeganFox

Originally posted by dickstone looks to me like it went down in the 90's

use real sources, and not charts adjusted for inflation

http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/GFDEBTN

i didnt feel like breaking down the data but u can clearly see from when he took office in 93 and left in 2000, with a few months of the bush's in there

Now switch that chart to show YTD decreases. Note this is from the source you provided!

http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/?s[1][id]=GFDEBTN

The link wont show but copy & paste

^^this is from 90-2001 the US debt does not go down under clinton like he was trying to say before

You have by far the biggest gold reserves in the world:)

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[quote=MeganFox][quote=wormdogg10]
He still did the same thing. He also gained from the Chinese loopholes that he now says he opposes.

Flip Flops & Mittens arent good for any season let alone for 4 years straight!
"My plan will create 12 million jobs" Mitt Romney 10/16/12 
45 minutes later "Government does create jobs. Government does create jobs." Mitt Romney 10/16/12[/quote]

government does not create jobs, it can only create an environment for business to strive and create jobs for the economy to flourish [/quote]

But it wont from an incoherent plan where the numbers dont add up. And from a man who wanted OUR auto industry to die so he can reap the benefits of off shore manufacturing. And a business man who made millions from killing jobs. A man who voted against equal pay for women. A VP candidate who thinks Rape is just another form of conception! A candidate who behind closed doors says that 47% of Americans believe they are victims and his role "is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them [u][b]they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives[/u][/b]."

Megan I believe you said you were a college student right? Do you also work and make over $50,000 a year? Do you pay Federal Income taxes? No , the you are included in the 47% he doesnt care about!!

Originally posted by MeganFox

Originally posted by wormdogg10

He still did the same thing. He also gained from the Chinese loopholes that he now says he opposes.

Flip Flops & Mittens arent good for any season let alone for 4 years straight!

"My plan will create 12 million jobs" Mitt Romney 10/16/12

45 minutes later "Government does create jobs. Government does create jobs." Mitt Romney 10/16/12

government does not create jobs, it can only create an environment for business to strive and create jobs for the economy to flourish

But it wont from an incoherent plan where the numbers dont add up. And from a man who wanted OUR auto industry to die so he can reap the benefits of off shore manufacturing. And a business man who made millions from killing jobs. A man who voted against equal pay for women. A VP candidate who thinks Rape is just another form of conception! A candidate who behind closed doors says that 47% of Americans believe they are victims and his role "is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."

Megan I believe you said you were a college student right? Do you also work and make over $50,000 a year? Do you pay Federal Income taxes? No , the you are included in the 47% he doesnt care about!!

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[quote=dickstone]all im saying is we need healthcare here like they have in england and canada !! doctors dont need 3 fuckin houses and several collectors automobiles !! while americans who cant afford to go in debt the rest of their lives because of greedy doctors and pay 20,000 dollar life flight ride  die because they cant get early detection of cancers and such ! ... government can run it fine they do the postal service and my mail gets here every fuckin day rain ,snow or shine [/quote]

doctors also take out thousands in student loans which need to be paid back, and with at least 6 years and even more it adds up, and alot only have a 20-30 year life span career because problems with hands, eye sight etc that does not allow them to work forever so they have to cash in while they can

and the cash is also a benefit to become a doctor, say 100 people graduate from a school, the top 10 people do into the banking industry, the next 10 into high level management positions, next 10 into science and technology so on and so on...if u make it so doctors get paid an inferior amount to what they could be making your forcing some of the best people out of there....i know if i was going in for a major surgery i would want someone who graduated at the top of his class not someone around 50-100 just because he couldnt get the other higher paying jobs

and its not all the doctors income that makes it so expensive, regulations on what certain tools and equipment(alot 1 time use items), constant training, hospital and offices, insurance, license's and renewable, there is a lot that goes into pricing that makes it outrageous

lol do some reading on the postal service if u think the government can run that LMAO

Originally posted by dickstone all im saying is we need healthcare here like they have in england and canada !! doctors dont need 3 fuckin houses and several collectors automobiles !! while americans who cant afford to go in debt the rest of their lives because of greedy doctors and pay 20,000 dollar life flight ride die because they cant get early detection of cancers and such ! ... government can run it fine they do the postal service and my mail gets here every fuckin day rain ,snow or shine

doctors also take out thousands in student loans which need to be paid back, and with at least 6 years and even more it adds up, and alot only have a 20-30 year life span career because problems with hands, eye sight etc that does not allow them to work forever so they have to cash in while they can

and the cash is also a benefit to become a doctor, say 100 people graduate from a school, the top 10 people do into the banking industry, the next 10 into high level management positions, next 10 into science and technology so on and so on...if u make it so doctors get paid an inferior amount to what they could be making your forcing some of the best people out of there....i know if i was going in for a major surgery i would want someone who graduated at the top of his class not someone around 50-100 just because he couldnt get the other higher paying jobs

and its not all the doctors income that makes it so expensive, regulations on what certain tools and equipment(alot 1 time use items), constant training, hospital and offices, insurance, license's and renewable, there is a lot that goes into pricing that makes it outrageous

lol do some reading on the postal service if u think the government can run that ROFL

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Originally posted by MeganFox

Originally posted by wormdogg10

Originally posted by MeganFox

Originally posted by dickstone looks to me like it went down in the 90's

use real sources, and not charts adjusted for inflation

http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/GFDEBTN

i didnt feel like breaking down the data but u can clearly see from when he took office in 93 and left in 2000, with a few months of the bush's in there

Now switch that chart to show YTD decreases. Note this is from the source you provided!

http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/?s[1][id]=GFDEBTN

The link wont show but copy & paste

^^this is from 90-2001 the US debt does not go down under clinton like he was trying to say before

Thats not the link I posted and you know it!

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[quote=wormdogg10][quote=MeganFox][quote=wormdogg10]
He still did the same thing. He also gained from the Chinese loopholes that he now says he opposes.

Flip Flops & Mittens arent good for any season let alone for 4 years straight!
"My plan will create 12 million jobs" Mitt Romney 10/16/12 
45 minutes later "Government does create jobs. Government does create jobs." Mitt Romney 10/16/12[/quote]

government does not create jobs, it can only create an environment for business to strive and create jobs for the economy to flourish [/quote]

But it wont from an incoherent plan where the numbers dont add up. And from a man who wanted OUR auto industry to die so he can reap the benefits of off shore manufacturing. And a business man who made millions from killing jobs. A man who voted against equal pay for women. A VP candidate who thinks Rape is just another form of conception! A candidate who behind closed doors says that 47% of Americans believe they are victims and his role "is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them [u][b]they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives[/u][/b]."

Megan I believe you said you were a college student right? Do you also work and make over $50,000 a year? Do you pay Federal Income taxes? No , the you are included in the 47% he doesnt care about!!
[/quote]

sounds to me like another 4 years of bush like  policies that this country cant afford to have and hope america is smarter than that and dont forget what it was like when he run us into the ground !

Originally posted by wormdogg10

Originally posted by MeganFox

Originally posted by wormdogg10

He still did the same thing. He also gained from the Chinese loopholes that he now says he opposes.

Flip Flops & Mittens arent good for any season let alone for 4 years straight!

"My plan will create 12 million jobs" Mitt Romney 10/16/12

45 minutes later "Government does create jobs. Government does create jobs." Mitt Romney 10/16/12

government does not create jobs, it can only create an environment for business to strive and create jobs for the economy to flourish

But it wont from an incoherent plan where the numbers dont add up. And from a man who wanted OUR auto industry to die so he can reap the benefits of off shore manufacturing. And a business man who made millions from killing jobs. A man who voted against equal pay for women. A VP candidate who thinks Rape is just another form of conception! A candidate who behind closed doors says that 47% of Americans believe they are victims and his role "is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."

Megan I believe you said you were a college student right? Do you also work and make over $50,000 a year? Do you pay Federal Income taxes? No , the you are included in the 47% he doesnt care about!!

sounds to me like another 4 years of bush like policies that this country cant afford to have and hope america is smarter than that and dont forget what it was like when he run us into the ground !

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[quote=MeganFox][quote=notvalid]i read most of the stuff posted here, but cant be bothered to keep reading. Its sad how I live in a country that cares and worries more about your election than its own. i personally think regardless of who wins its going to be the same shit, only difference is slightly different views on the matter. bulk of the world is in recession, and this isnt something a single presidential term can fix anyways.

so since i am not from the USA, let me just inquire on a few questions,
what would be so bad about using tax money on supplying the population with a stable and secure form of health care?
what is the corporate tax in the US? and how is it that some brands and corporate giants can avoid paying billions in taxes?
why are individuals allowed to place money in offshore banks and accounts and not be taxed on any of it?[/quote]

i think canada has the best way to pay for its health care system, all citizens are covered, you may have to wait longer for appointments etc and im sure they have other complaints and id like to hear their thoughts on it

a sales tax that pays for the entries countries health care, not give some people it for free and force others to pay out of pocket or pay a tax, but the health care system in the US is so screwed up with policies, regulations, crony capitalism that there isnt anything you can really do all in one shot

the tax code for companies is filled with loop holes, tax breaks, credits, referrals, plnety of CEOs, board members in a revolving door with service in government jobs, so just more crony capitalism  the corporate tax is 15-35% maybe up to 38 but i dont feel like checking

and im not familiar with off shore accounts, the world is a big place and i dont think there is much they can do to prevent people from putting their cash in offshore accounts, its offshore somewhere else not on property of the US government that would be my guess on why its not taxed currently

[/quote]

not going to lie, you are one of the multiple of people i enjoy reading posts from.
 as far as our health care, visits and all that shit is covered, you have to buy meds. most people try to get in companies that offer benefits from paying fully for them. i hate doctors and hate going to hospitals so thats as much info i got on that subject

but i will say this, you hit the nail on the head with the loop-holes. that shit is set up by the rich to help the rich stay that way. ain't none of that shit helping anyone but them.

just another question, in the US, based on what I was told the government does not subside any tuition costs, how come that isn't ever an issue with any presidential campaign or debate? how does one even manage to pay for a single year at school?